Loot...

[kai_razorwind]

Hi All,

I read at the official guild wars website that if i wanted my voice heard i should post in one of the official fan sites. After playing this game since launch, and being a very active player and fan of it, im severely dissapointed.

Thing is, I have 3 ascended characters and I honestly cannot afford them the expensive armors that are available (and im playing since launch,mind you) to even one of them. Loot has been terrible. At this current rate Im willing to bet that if i start a character today it will be 2006 before i could afford it 15k armor. Im yet to find even a black dye in all those months and over 800hours of playtime. Sure,i understand that loot is continously nerfed over bots, but its becoming extremely annoying to hear about good items without ever have access to them. Sure its more fun to get rare items only sometimes instead of all the time,otherwise they are not rare, but the way it is now its making me lose good part of the pleasure of playing this game.

I read recently that it would be fixed in the summer update...which btw, summer is nearly over if not over already from a "school out" point of view, and all we have seen of this update is screenshots and yadda yadda.

Another complaint I have is, have the game developers NOT noticed that a good ammount of male players have resorted to use female characters because the male models are uninspiring, stereotyped to the extreme, ugly and badly dressed? Have them even bothered to ask male players why they choose female models? How the female ranger holds the bow in a much cooler way? how the movements they make while using a skill or a spell is a lot more inspiring and hero like? Some people will say they just rather look at a female char, while this may be true to some,to others the thing is that male armor needs a lot of work, male models could be as good as the female ones as far as animation goes. Want an example? on the male warrior, the longest hair available makes part of your head clip thru it when you walk. Want another? look as the male ranger posture as he shoots an arrow. in most leggings, the animation for that is extremely poorly done,making his pelvis to look like a square.

None of these problems are found in the female model.

I really hope that these problems are addressed with the expansion, and that the devs dont wait till a sequel to do it,otherwise im changing to a diferent franchise.

[twicky_kid]

sorry to hear the rough time. don't worry about the *purple* or *gold* weapons. weapons from collectors have just as good stats and upgrades can be used to up it. don't fall into the upgrades trends that's the key. armor is better than hp always will be. vampiric is trash. zealous is good on a sword or axe for switch to gain energy or steal in pvp. sundering is trash 10/10 will only give you 1% dmg. if you take the max dmg of a sword by 1% its 0.22 so it doesn't even give you 1 point of dmg. lenghten conditions like bleeding and deep wound are very good. bleeding is 3 hp degen which is 6 hp per sec and deep wound is THE most powerful skill of a sword war. most characters have 500+ hp which 20% is 100 hp in one hit. elemental dmg will always be better if you going for dmg.

a good money maker is a runner. invest in one. running forge does cost you some time but really that's it. i do it based on trust of course but i've found that so many people are scammed at snakes way. i don't charge till i hit camp and forge you pay at those locations or i'll boot ya at camp. i've done over 20 runs and only 1 person has scammed me. people really want the runs but they don't want to scam you either. one time i even charged 5k total to run to camp and forge. i left with a full party just because i let them pay at camp and forge instead of at snakes.

i think you should just play the game some and stop thinking about the 15k armor for right now and just save up. main thing is you have to learn how. its still out there.

[kai_razorwind]

Dude i can understand ur point of view but thats the same as saying hey i know how badly u wanna drive a ferrari but here, have these 5 rotting skulls, u can buy a chevy 69 with them that will take u to places just as the ferrari would...

All Im saying is, finding cool items is part of what makes the game fun...im either extremely unlucky or drops have been severely nerfed...

[STINGER]

vampiric is trash. zealous is good on a sword or axe for switch to gain energy or steal in pvp. sundering is trash 10/10 will only give you 1% dmg. if you take the max dmg of a sword by 1% its 0.22 so it doesn't even give you 1 point of dmg. lenghten conditions like bleeding and deep wound are very good. bleeding is 3 hp degen which is 6 hp per sec and deep wound is THE most powerful skill of a sword war.

I would like to know where you get your information as 10% Armor Pent is much more than 1% damage boost. Judges Insight is +20 AP and it is sick damage not 2% or .44 on a sword.

Vampiric is +damage, with the right skills it can be VERY nice. +5 VAmp + Barrage and Tigers is a nice damage boost! ANY + is good! If other buffs are already up this just makes you even more powerfull. Dual shot is +10 damage per hit! Terrible???

Get real bud!

[uchiha_sasuke]

vampiric is trash. zealous is good on a sword or axe for switch to gain energy or steal in pvp. sundering is trash 10/10 will only give you 1% dmg. if you take the max dmg of a sword by 1% its 0.22 so it doesn't even give you 1 point of dmg. lenghten conditions like bleeding and deep wound are very good. bleeding is 3 hp degen which is 6 hp per sec and deep wound is THE most powerful skill of a sword war. most characters have 500+ hp which 20% is 100 hp in one hit. elemental dmg will always be better if you going for dmg.


i'm gonna have to agree with stinger. an upgrade will suck if you dont know how to use it correctly, but it can be really good when used right.

oh, ok, i think i know where you got 1% from the sundering upgrades. if i'm correct, this was the equation you came up with: armor penetration+10% divided by 10% chance, dividing any number by itself always equals 1, or so they say :D. BUT......you're wrong, it actually does 10% and you "dont" divide the armor pentration by the % chance, if that's what you did. when you see people post "wts or wtb sundering upgrade 10/10", that bracket "/" sign is to seperate the AP+10% and the % chance the upgrade gives, it's not a mathematical sign.

also, 10% of a max dmg sword is 2.2 dmg (considering that it will always do 22 dmg). of course 2 dmg isnt really that much, but that's only if you continuously do 22 dmg, which will never happen. that 10% extra dmg on the sundering upgrade will change everytime you hit a foe.

for example: if i were to deal 58 dmg to a gypsie ettin, 10% of 58 would be 5.8 "extra" dmg added on just by adding the sundering upgrade. if i were to deal 89 dmg on the next attack, i'd do 8.9 "extra" dmg.

this may not seem like a lot of extra dmg, but it can stack up real fast.

[ceolstan]

The armor in Droknar's Forge is as good as it gets with respect to endgame armor, so you don't need the 15K stuff for your endgame armor.

The 15K armor, however, gives a different look and it's also something to sink your gold into.:) If you don't have the gold, don't worry. Endgame armor is still within your grasp.


I'll admit, though, that I'm curious about the armor, so I started saving up for it. I also started doing something that I've never done in any game: trade. It's true that trader prices have been broken for the past couple of weeks, but that meant that most trades were out of trade chat, not via NPCs. I find it ridiculously easy to make fur squares or parchment (what else can one do with wood?), so I'll make parchment for next to nothing from the crafter outside of Sardelac, then go to Droknar's to watch the trade spam. I'll get an idea of the NPC Trader's prices, try to determine a fair price, and then when I see someone ask for the item, I'll whisper them to ask how much they're willing to offer.

I made about 3 K in 20 minutes this way. In every case, the player got a much better price than from the merchant, and I got a decent profit. I'm now at about 12K and I've not tried very hard to work the trading scene.

I, too, agree that the collectors' gear can come with very nice mods. My current shield is a collector's shield with max armor and -2 damage reduction. Yes, I love it! I have a couple of "increase bleeding" and "increase deep wound duration" upgrades. I'm just waiting for a max damage weapon.

Best of luck and hang in there!

--ceolstan

[kai_razorwind]

Again, thank you for your post,but you're also missing the point. When I say that gold and purple items are absolutely not dropping for me at all,and that I dont have the money to buy 15k armor, i dont mean im lacking protection or good weapons. What I mean is that im lacking the pleasure of picking a better designed armor and finding good items as I quest. That, for me,from a roleplaying perspective, its just as important as having protection or weapons. Trading, farming, and making runs are viable options, yes, BUT my point is that you should not, as an ascended character, have to rely solely on that in order to afford good things and to find good things! That is what im talking about and people try to find ways around it when it should be fixed not circunvented.

Another one of my points that was completely ignored by people who answered my topic is how poorly designed male characters are,specially when compared to their female counterparts, resulting in a massive number of male players picking female models for that very reason. But hey, don't believe me! ask them! do a poll, ask around in game. You will see im right. This is not a single player game that you buy and the commitment from the company with us ends. This is a MMORPG, and as such, things like having a square pelvis while you shoot arrows or have your hair clip thru ur cape, or even worse, have your head clip thru ur hair as you walk simply cannot happen in a game of this scope. Contradictions are also weird. Male 15k druids is the complete oppositvce of female druids. WHY? Why is it that only female druids are nearly in bathing suits and male druids have a trenchcoat??? Why do female rangers have a much better animation for shooting arrows with a bow than male rangers? (and im not talking about how their boobs jiggle at each shot). Why are animations generally better for female models? Compare the heroic way that a female warrior activates the healing signet, with the nearly convulsing way the male does. She lifts her sword on the air, and stands tall..he bends his body slightly at the waist wiggles the sword in the air and raises just half of the hip.

And dont get me started on male warriors! Why do all of them look like arnold schwartzenegger? Why this stereotype? do you have to be that bulky to be a warrior? Realistically, warriors of medieval times did not have all that muscular mass. Look at rurik,the king, or even better,the ascalon soldier model! the armor and physical appearance of ascalon soldies is much more appealing than of those hulks you're forced to select.

I love and am totally addicted to guild wars ever since day one but i see a lot of things that can be improved, it saddens me that the only way I can be heard as a player is thru fansite forums, IF devs ever read those at all. I would appreciate a more ditect contact with the game devs and the assurance that the oppinions of players including mine is being heard.

[twicky_kid]

i'm gonna have to agree with stinger. an upgrade will suck if you dont know how to use it correctly, but it can be really good when used right.

oh, ok, i think i know where you got 1% from the sundering upgrades. if i'm correct, this was the equation you came up with: armor penetration+10% divided by 10% chance, dividing any number by itself always equals 1, or so they say :D. BUT......you're wrong, it actually does 10% and you "dont" divide the armor pentration by the % chance, if that's what you did. when you see people post "wts or wtb sundering upgrade 10/10", that bracket "/" sign is to seperate the AP+10% and the % chance the upgrade gives, it's not a mathematical sign.

also, 10% of a max dmg sword is 2.2 dmg (considering that it will always do 22 dmg). of course 2 dmg isnt really that much, but that's only if you continuously do 22 dmg, which will never happen. that 10% extra dmg on the sundering upgrade will change everytime you hit a foe.

ya with the right weapon they are good but really only a bow can take advantage the pros because rangers can hit multiple times with one attack.

so if you are arguing that a 2 dmg increase at max at a 10% chance is good then why not use an elemental. it does more dmg than that every single hit. as i've said before alot of trash upgrades that are stuck in trend mod and everyone buys them because they see other people have them and its follow the leader.

[Muffinator]

Ok...a couple of things that I saw that were either incorrect or just..misguided....somehow.

Ascended characters, as far as I can tell, really aren't that hard to get to. I don't see why you would say the ascended characters should be able to buy anything without working towards it. I usually consider Ascension to be just another "sub-chapter" of the game.

Also, your believing that this a MMORPG isn't true...it's considered a COTRPG (cooperative online team role-playing game), yeah, strange, but that's what the devs call it and that's what it is. Just think of it like Diablo II, where instead of a channel to sit in and wait for a game to play, you can have fun in a virtual city where you can interact better with other players and go into your own world parallel to anyone else's.

Anyways, on the topic of the male characters, I do have to go with most of opinions on it. Although, you should think of all that the devs have to do, where changing an aspect of a character could mean having to change every instance that that certain movement or action could be applied. You did mention alot of the flaws of the male characters, but you never listed any of the many times that female characters have pixels overlap or body parts not having collision with objects.

Yeah..I just felt like posting in this thread because of how worked up you were over it...just chill man, and let the developers work their magic, nothing can be perfect, and you're going to have to compromise sometimes. 8)

[Avenger]

...... Guild Wars is a MMORPG called COTRPG, because the devs found that that explained better what the game is.. and is a made-up title and in no way a categorie of games, This doesnt mean that us calling it a MMORPG is wrong... Its just saying that this is a Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game, which is in no way wrong, right?

So just chill, alright? :D

[Guild of the Lords]

right wrong,right,wrong i dont get it u got me confused avenger

[Avenger]

MMORPG= Guild wars' game category

COTRPG= description of Guild Wars, better helps understand what its about and its gameplay

Thats the way i see it anyways

[neversummer84]

i have yet to do any farming. unless you considering a FoW run every so often. if you look at my characters in my sig i have none built for farming. i have over 60k just from playing my characters the normal PvE way. i have also had prolly close to 20 pruple items, around 5 gold items, 1 black dye, and around 10 silver from playing these characters through PvE. i have experienced no problem with drops or money. save your materials, trade wisely, get collector weapons. the 15k armors are not designed for everyone to be able to buy. they are designed as money sinks to keep the in game economy stable.

male characters... both my ele and necro are female for the discussed reason. both of those classes male characters look like concentration camp victems with leprosy. however, even though i hate the way the necro male looks, shouldn't a necro look dead and ugly? the male ele though, just looks gay. the outfits look just like the female outfits, like dresses. they should have robes and cowels or something, not skin tight pansey outfits. i like the way the warrior looks. this is a fantasy game, not a midieval reproduction. the characters should look somewhat steriotypical. i think most people dont want their warriors to look like the elementalists.

[kai_razorwind]

Im glad im not the only one with a problem about the design of male characters. Yes, the way male elems dress is pitiful, with few exceptions (fissure armor, 15k air). But to me, worse than the outfits and overall looks is the animation and its problems, like the ones i mentioned at the beggining of this thread.

It really does make me wonder (and hope for) whether devs realized this and will fix it in this update, at least as far as the actual glitches go. They should also ponder whether they want guys to be having female chars because their male chars are that bad. I personally refuse to create a female one, because to do so would destroy the role playing element of the game. I dont want to roleplay as a girl. When I create a char i imagine myself into the adventure, i think thats what most people that play rpgs are after, and gw made that hard with how porrly designed and animated male chars are.

[Velath]

I dont want to roleplay as a girl. When I create a char i imagine myself into the adventure, i think thats what most people that play rpgs are after, and gw made that hard with how porrly designed and animated male chars are.

I agree with you about the male ele and necro, I have a female ele, male warrior and male monk (deleted my necro).

But to say that people want to roleplay as solely a fantasy version of self, is a little like saying authors should only write about their own sex in a way. Personally when I make these characters it's at most a reflection of part of my personality, I sure am not some hulking warrior or devilishly-clever mage...hell I'm an engineer, I'm not that creative! Plus if that was the case, there'd be like 2% female characters, and I've already seen mirror images of warrior too many times! I just create what looks fun and I can stand to look at for a 100+ hours.

And as for the drops, you're getting screwed, if I don't get at least a purple drop in a mission I'm surprised. Usually on my farming runs (which are around 17mins) I get a few purples and usually a gold item.

And I like trend pricing, it's the only reason 10/10 sundering hilts get over 100k (at least when selling anyway!)

[neversummer84]

Usually on my farming runs (which are around 17mins) I get a few purples and usually a gold item.


oh to be a farmer... /sigh... none of my profession combos can live long enough, or if they can it takes too long. maybe when my new smite monk grows up

[Guild of the Lords]

same here never none of my characters can except for my newbie lvl 12 ele/monk but like you said when he grows up /sigh

[Don Gryphon]

randomness and luck ----- that all. ive yet to see a black die drop, and my frieds ------- beacuse hes accaluy gone a week without seeing one.....

---- my luck sucks too but i get about 1 silver a week and hes brought all his lol




srry im use to my old warbirs forom were that woulda been mild and extreamly unoticed. :b besides ifg u under 13 ur not supose to play GW

[Guild of the Lords]

ok u need to stop cursing goodnight can someone please take his post off

[Avenger]

I got a black dye while on a griffon run once, was very surprised too... Usually my runs last 3-5 mins and get a couple of purples.. Some golds... but not often... I get most of my money from the money drops and white items.. and the fact that they only take 5 mins

[neversummer84]

when people say griffon runs, is it desert griffons or south shiver griffons?

[Avenger]

desert

[Guild of the Lords]

so im having an average day and oh look avenger is online let me say hello so i say:Hello and he says to me :hey and i says to him : u wanna go tombing or FOW or UW and he says to me :nah im doin a griffopn run

so the next day i am on i says to him.................etc

lol i catch u at the wrong times lol sry i couldnt go to arena with u but i had to get off tighter schedule now that HS is up again so no more weekday playing for me only weekends but when they come im def on

[Avenger]

your in school already? Im off for another 2 weeks still

:lol: :arrow: thats me laughing at you :D

[Guild of the Lords]

ugh u r lucky man i wish i wen to your school but oh well meetin new people if u no what i mean "" u get me

[Sheridan_rebel]

i wish i had two more weeks i got till friday

[Guild of the Lords]

oh well iv been in school for 4 days :x what grade u goin into

[Mattinator]

I have two more weeks as well :P

[Sheridan_rebel]

me i goin into 9th

[Velath]

4th......year. Three weeks from yesterday. Gotta get wisdom teeth pulled friday before that though so I'm going to be laid low.

[neversummer84]

ugh, i got all 4 pulled in june. not fun